McCain accuses Obama of lying

Stella, Tuscon how exciting one of the first votes cast in this historic election! Thank God you voted against the insult of a running mate 6-Pack Palin and the Chaos McCain Train! Awesome!

Hurray, Stella!  But I believe you mischaracterize:  McCain ain't even good at lying.  He loves the sight of himself in the spotlight so much, he makes his contradictory comments right in front of the cameras, where anyone who cares about the truth can see them whenever they want.

Stella, Tucson: Great job!! We'll follow your lead for sure. This time, when the rove machine counts our votes and comes up with a McCain win, we have to, have to, step in. Sens. OBAMA-BIDEN-CLINTON are counting on us for support. YES WE CAN!! OBAMA-BIDEN 08

Stella:

Obama - Dignity - in the same sentence.  Must not have read any of his books.

I have his book and it's a life changing book. You should read it. Maybe you could learn something about compassion for other and wanting to do the right thing for America. Real Americans are Democrats.

Are you saying that real Americans are Communists? Cuba is just a plane ride away.

You are correct; it's life changing and I hope you enjoy that life.  It's not for me.

You're going to tell me that Obama is a real American because he is a Democrat.  One who wants to waive the white flag of surrender in Iraq, dishonor every person who gave their life for the defense of freedom for Iraq, and dishonor every person who fought to preserve and protect our freedom.  Yeah, you keep believing that honey, maybe one day you will get to reap what you sow.

    This is classicaly stupid on his part. Shows the temper he is rumored to have. It will not change one mind.

Well he tried for a lttle while got no where with it so now he is just wandering around trying to make do with nothing to stand for anymore.

Let's have FACTS about why the McCain health care plan covers only half the number of people as Obama's plan and will begin taxing employees for the amount of employer provided health insurance benefits

Just curious, where do you think Obama is going to get the money for his grand healthcare plan? TAXES!

Let's have FACTS about why the Republicans were able to pork up the bail out bill with millions for wooden arrow makers and did not provide a penny of help for mortgage holders

Um, I don't think it was the republicans that porked up the bill, and hey - OBAMA signed it. Did you miss that part?

Let's have FACTS about why McCain keeps talking about a tax increase by Obama when Obama's plan CLEARLY applies to those making 250k and more a year

Because Obama is lying to you. His record indicates that he will raise taxes. How do you think he is going to pay for all his proposed spending? Try this one on for size....

Obama: 940 days in the Senate, asked for 930 Million dollars (that's almost a million a day)

McCain: 26 years in the Senate, asked for 0 earmarks, none, notta, zilch, not one frickin dollar!

What does that tell you?

If you research far enough, you'll find that McCain's 'earmarks' were 'managed' in other ways.

Taxes will have to pay for the money we have borrowed from the Chinese and others to fund Iraq and the new bail-out.  Your republican government has forgotten that it is best to pay as you go - not 'charge' wars and buy-outs to protect their wall street buddies.  Fiscal conservatives, my aunt fanny.

Obama and Biden have said some things may have to be adjusted due to this buy-out:  we don't know about McCain or Palin 'cause they haven't answered any questions and have been too busy cleaning out the elephant pens and throwing manure.

According to the Urban Institute and Brooking Institutions' Tax Policy Center: McCain's health care plan (as described in his stump speeches) will cost the federal government more than 10 trillion dollars over a ten year period. Obama's health care plan (as described in stump speeches) will cost a little more than 5 trillion over a ten year period.

McCain would decrease taxes on everyone. Obama would increase taxes on those making over $227,000 a year, and decrease taxes for everyone else by significantly more than McCain (More than double the tax break of McCain's plan on those making between $38,000 and $66,000).

McCain's plans will cost the federal government even more money, and will earn the federal government even less . It will cost everyone making beneath $112,000 more money than Obama's plan.

Also, by the way, it is completely absurd to assume that he can fund any of his plans without any money. Votes for McCain are votes against us.

Ok guys you know what both parties has lied their fair share now if only people would stop and look at what will happen if Obama gets elected, Well you best go out buy your self a safe to put your money in because if you don't Obama will put it in his pocket book. with all that taxes in plans to put into effect and it will happen with a democratic office it wount be hard for him to pass any thing he wants.. just think before you vote.

Jake, your comment is blatantly untrue. Go check your facts. If you make less than $112k a year (which, judging by your grammar, I'm guessing you do), Obama will give you larger tax breaks than McCain.

Congrats, Stella! I'll be casting my vote for Obama very soon when our early voting begins here in Colorado.

Once again McCain has backed himself into a corner and he'll be-itch and moan and lie about it for all to hear. His campaign has caught fire just like those five Navy aircraft he wrecked. It's so embarrassing to watch this man crumble under pressure yet again. Imagine how he'd behave in the Oval Office?

What about all the small business owners? Most small businesses make over 250,000 a year. Small Businesses pay income taxes, not capital gains tax, so what about them? Tax em' right out of business? Make it so they can't afford employees? How about the self employed? It's hard enough to pay my quarterly taxes now!

Dreama,

I don't know a lot of this well enough to give you a very good answer. The Obama campaign, however, would be happy to provide you one found at:

yea your probably right until bush tax cuts expire and Obama did say he would let them expire then the middle class. And the higher income people would get more tax cuts than the middle class. and yes i do make less than 112K ayear i do make an honest living and i'am not saying they don't but money is not what makes me happy being able to afford to feed my kids pay my bills put a rough over my family head and to have some fun money thats what inportant to me. and with Obama being in office i would not beable to see that.

You're being dense. Look at Obama's tax plan. People making under 112k will pay less in taxes than under McCain's plan. You'll pay less under Obama's plan. Less , not to be confused with "more" which is a different word entirely.

I mean, you can certainly ignore plain facts admitted by both campaigns if you would like to.

However, if we're going to simply ignore facts, I would like to point out that John McCain is made out of marshmallows, and Sarah Palin is a sub-terrainean reptile wearing the flesh of Alaska's former governor. So there.

Dangit... I dunno how to post a website. They seem to get auto deleted. The Obama plan for small businesses can be found by searching google for: "Obama small business plan"

Wow, somehow I knew before I even looked that the board would be filled with a good old fashioned shout down by the Obama supporters.  I have seen it consistently for two months now. 

If Obama is the better candidate, let his record and his ideas stand for themselves.  As it is, depending on where you look to find the information, Obama is very adept at being very "cloudy" on anything but his personality.

There is no point in trying to bring up facts about associations or quotes to the people who are visciously attacking anyone who asks a legitimate question.  Why is it offensive for Obama to stand up and say in no uncertain terms exactly what his plans are and how the implementation of those plans would come about? 

Why is that threatening to so many people? 

His ideas are pretty much common sense but his plans for application of achieving those plans are not lined out in a clear, workable fashion.  At first, I thought it was because he was so new to the national scene, but now I am beginning to believe that he is purposely clouding the issues in an attempt to ride an emotional wave into the biggest public office of his life.

If it is beneath him to address questions regarding his plans and his supporters are so adamently opposed to hearing anything that actually does speak to possible negative characteristics, we have truly reached a socialist state.  If you are doing all of the talking and just backing up each other with more hubris, the facts are covered up in so much muck that it will take the next two years to uncover anything of value or truth.

If it is a threat to his candidacy to stand up and address what up until now has been considered standard platform information for any other candidate in the history of the United States, there is a very real problem with this candidate.

Where there is no fair and open system of accountability for a candidate, there is an absolute threat to the people of the United States - whether or not they realize what they are doing.

Someone else pointed at that there are none so blind as those who will not see.  Questions should never be construed as threats unless the answers will reveal far too much.

Very well said, because it seems rather reasonable to question the " content of one's character " - given the absolute mystery surrounding Obama's ties to known terroists and their organizations; and his associations with known criminals who are heavily involved in a very serious plot to undermine the United States Of America. If he is not a member of this plot ( which is being denied by the news media, and at least fifty percent of the American people ) Then Obama will have made a fool out of George Washinton, The rest of the Founding Fathers, Abraham Lincoln, Ulysis Grant, Teddy Roosevelt, Franklin Roosevelt, John F. Kennedy, and Ronald Reagan. All of these people believed in America - even in its worst moments of depair - but, they never gave up their quest to leave the ideible legacy of " Freedom " and " Liberty " ON THE MARCH AGAINST TYRANNY!!!  It is being made clearer - day by day - That Obama lacks the traditional character to be President of the United States Of America!!! He also lacks the " American Intellect " - The necessary thought processses of all of the above mentioned. Be Forwarned, and give him the " CHANGE " he is seeking -  VOTE HIM OUT BEFORE HE CAN GET HIS SOCIALIST FOOT IN THE DOOR OF OUR SACRED " WHITE HOUSE "!!!!

What do they say ???

It takes one to know one , right ?

ThinkingOne,

Nice accusations. Is there anything in particular that you are claiming Obama has refused to state? I can't think of any major questions he hasn't answered or taken a position on. I'm going to take a wild guess and figure that you are poorly informed by your own choice. You write as though there are huge issues that Obama has failed to take a stance on. Care to point any of them out?

Well, let's start with any of the information in 1.53 other than to say that he made "boneheaded" mistakes. How do you "run into" that many people who voice anti-American sentiment unless you are frequenting some really questionable places / groups? 

Then, let's move onto the fact that Isikoff in Newsweek has questioned Obama's campaign finances stating that there is a "prima facia case for fraud and should be investigated".  What is his response to that?

Next, what about the lawsuit from August that has yet to get a response concerning the authenticity of his birth certificate? Why was that not cleared up immediately?  It should have been a very simple matter.  Why is that case still open?

Why, during a very short stay in the Senate thus far, has he amassed sizeable donations from lobbyists and special interest groups? 

Why does he vote "present" most of the time rather than "yes" or "no" on legislation? Did he speak to his constituents and they didn't have an opinion, or are those decisions he made on his own?

Exactly how does he propose to withdraw troops AND insure US security?

How does he plan to "force" insurance companies to cover pre-existing conditions without the insurance companies turning around and raising my premiums?

If he is so different economically from everyone else, why did he vote for the bailout? What were his reasons for one of his few actual votes? 

What legislation did he actually author on his own that was passed in a bi-partisan vote?

Where is his thesis and why wait until after the election to release it?

During his days as a community organizer, why did ACORN engage in voting fraud?

If he'll start with those things and put them to rest, I would feel much better about his candidacy.

Oh and just so I'm clear, my reference to the lawsuit has to do with it still being open.  I am aware that there is supposed to be a birth certificate at the headquaters in Chicago. My question goes more to the fact that the lawsuit should have been settled already as opposed to allowing it to linger unfinished.

Why not just take the BC to the judge who has  the case and be done with it? 

How do you run into that many people with anti-american sentiments? Well, pop over here to Hollywood for a minute and take a walk down any given street. Spend much time in any big city, for that matter. There are a lot of people, in a huge community, who are very vocal at the level of local government. Chicago is a big city. I assume you're talking about the weathermen connection? You're not really going to hold that against Obama, are you? He was six when those actions were taken. He was a toddler. This accusation, much like most of what Palin has said, is absolutely rediculous.

Newsweek is not a reputable news source. This is the magazine that, when a new special came out on Queen Elizabeth, ran their headline, political story for as "How does Hillary Clinton's campaign compare to Queen Elizabeth's reign?" They're a joke. In a similar magizen, I recently saw that a woman in Florida had an alligator baby. So, if we're going to expect any serious politician to respond to something in Newsweek, I'd appreciate an answer on the whole people-having-lizard-babies problem.

The lawsuit about his birth certificate is crap, and Obama, just like anyone else, is not required to provide personal documents to a court of law unless the court of law where the case is brought believes that the lawsuit has enough merit to proceed. When the court believes this, the court subpeonas the documents in question. The birth certificate, by the way, was given to factcheck.org (who have been every bit as harsh on Obama as on McCain, by the way), who did verify it.

As to your claim that Obama usualy votes "Present" more often than not: Go to vote smart dot org. Look up McCain's Record, look up Obamas record, compare the two, and notice that your claim is simply untrue. That site tracks every vote that any member of congress casts. It may be true that he has voted Present, been Excused, been Absent more times that he has vote either particular way. I did not count all hundreds of the votes. But a simple scroll through the record and even the briefest of glances shows that it is not true that he voted Present more often than not.

That website will also give you the ratings of each candidate with every special interest lobby working congress. You can see that McCain, Obama, and everyone else, represents a sizeable number of these lobbies. That's simply how our government operates. Attempting to use it as a smear is bizarre.

How to withdraw troops and insure security? Well, I mean, I'm no expert... but it seems to me that the troops will be safer if they are taken out of Iraq and into a country where no one is shooting at them. I mean, hey that's just my take on it. To be fair, I pass plenty of accidents in Los Angeles on the freeway so, maybe you have a good point.

On insurance companies: Well, I can't tell you how he particularly plans to do it. I can tell you that a law could be passed that would have exactly that effect. That's what our lawmakers do: make laws. I mean, it's a fair question your asking, but, it's just as fair to ask it of any position ever taken by any politician. The implied explanation is that they will work to get laws passed. As president, Obama would, I assume, work with congress to pass legislation.

I don't think he is so different from everyone else economically. I think that he is comparing his ideas to the way Bush's ailing government handled it. I agree: painting McCain with the same brush as Bush is a big stretch and, in some ways, an outright lie. Eh. They're politicians.

I honestly can't answer why the campaign won't release his thesis. I know that it's on Soviet Disarmament (as I'm sure you do, as well). I'm going to guess that he or his campaign do want anyone to think that a theoretical papaer written a quarter of a century ago will neccessarily determine his foreign policy. Hopefuly, in twenty-five years, people learn new things.

There is no such thing as "guilt by association" except in the newspaper. A very small number of ACORN's members have commited voter fraud. These people have absolutey no ties to Obama. I've heard stories about a McDonald's worker who spit in peoples' drinks. Should I assume every McDonald's worker is a disgusting scumbag? Of course not. Prove some tie to Obama greater than "They worked for the same massive organization at some poiint," and, if he did something wrong, let's have him prosecuted. However, as far as I can tell, no one is claiming Obama did a single thing wrong.

I will have to say that yours is one of very few reasonable explanations I have seen given. I appreciate the approach and the information. 

I think we both agree that each of us is well enough informed to be able to make a reasonable determination. Obviously, both of us have done the research and spent time analyzing and weighing various information.

Your defense of him is one of the better ones I have seen. Well done.

I have a problem with a candidate for the presidency of the United States who is not personally vested in a pro-America stance.  Because of the large amount of anti-American associations that he has, I don't feel like voting for him is in the best interest of the country.  His associations are overwhelmingly radical and frequently operate outside established laws. In addition, he has more than one or two...it is an entire laundry list of people who actively support ideologies that do not reconcile with a democracy.  One or two odd associations is understandable in a "six degrees" world, but continued, close, and numerous similar associations strung together by a common thread indicate a preference for certain ideologies and beliefs. 

To me, what I can gather of his political approach falls in line with those particular ideologies.  While his ideas sound good on the surface, the application and implications of several of his policies do reak of "redistribution of wealth". I am opposed to any such measure that would, in my opinion, seriously undermine several key elements of our society including our economy, our democracy and our national security.

Basically, I am what would be considered a "nationalist".  The United States of America is more important to me than any particular individual person therein.  Not to say that I don't care about the people of the United States, but I do very much care about the viability of our democracy.

While I do not support all of John McCain's agenda, I do believe he is a patriot.  In addition, the people in the state he represents must feel that he has done a good job representing them because they continue to re-elect him.  Obama does not have a long record as a public servant and this is his first term in the US Senate so he does not have a history that would indicate anything about living up to campaign promises or following through on his ideals. 

His association with ACORN is troubling for me as well. I am very much opposed to special interest groups, particularly groups that weild that kind of power and then engage in things like voting fraud - of all things.  Apparently, it is not an isolated incident because in addition to accusations in a couple of other states, Missouri began an investigation very recently.  While he is no longer a community organizer, he still uses that experience as part of his political resume so it is a valid concern. 

I had heard a couple of versions of the topic of his thesis and I am definitely certain that his campaign did not want it released for valid reasons, which only speaks to the importance of that document.  Obama regularly attacks McCain for various things in his past.  Obama's thesis is part of his.  If Obama is given the benefit of the doubt for his thesis, why not allow that same benefit for McCain.

Finally, Obama's elitism does bother me.  When he made the comment concerning the poor clinging to their guns and their religion, it revealed a lot about his approach to the general public.  If it had stopped there, I wouldn't have thought much of it, but there is an underlying vein of arrogance there that is terribly hard for me to overlook.  One of the latest examples of this came as recently as his stump through NC when he stopped and asked if the audience was "still with" him because he had actually used policy as a basis for his speech that day.  He wasn't asking if they still supported his policy on healthcare as much as he was inquiring about the audience's collective intellectual ability to follow along with the topic. To me, it came across as condescending - again. 

I have all the respect in the world for someone who has genuinely considered why they believe what they believe. My hat's off to you - although I respectfully disagree with your conclusions. 

I agree.  They are BOTH out of control and gasping for their last breaths.  They look as desperate as they sound and are only impressing their base supporters, and those who are already afraid of seeing a person of color in the White House.
Give him credit: Sen. Obama has been a gentleman in this election race.  He has to be very careful that he doesn't blow his top or he'll be called an "angry militant".  That gives McCain an advantage because if HE gets mad, the Party would be proud that he's being feisty.
I'm sick of Palin and McCain dredging up this old stuff that didn't work in the primary, and trying to use it as a Hail Mary.

I look at the posts here about this slime campaign and am so glad that sooo many are on the ball, aware of the facts, looking at ALL the issues and men involved in this campaign!!! Note I said all the MEN in this campaign; Palin is just a frustrated 6-pack Joe so goes for the pitbull image to be one of the boys... Sadder and sadder!

Obama was always a gentleman when talking about the McCain lies. He called them inaccurate etc. Since McCain does not return the favor he is as stupid as I believed.

Obama is a Layer

BOR... a layer... of what?  cake?

I do agree Sen. Obama is many layered, always a gentleman, but I doubt this is what you intend

Mainbound- LOL! LOL! LOL!

I've been reading all kinds of comments here, but your short comment on BOR(derline) made me laugh out loud!  It's frigging funny!

BO can 'be a gentleman' or a jerk and the media will cover anything and everything up for him.  Too bad that the media can't follow their Constitutional responsibility to be impartial and report instead of campaign.  I would love for the democrats to get their 'fairness doctrine' back into affect and have to counter all the networks so devoted to the left with a balancing for the right.  Of course that will never happen because we all can see how 'impartial' the media is on a daily basis... Just read any 'report' about any of the candidates!

Jim what are you talking about?

Come to the realization that you support McBlame and the Common Princess that can relate to all people. The only people McBlame and the common Princess can relate to are liars like you and everyone else that promotes their lies. Don't blame the media. Blame yourself for supporting human beings that are not intelligent, that don't care about their families, that don't care about what is going on in the country right now, that don't care about addressing the facts. BLAME McBlame and the common Princess for only being able to address the american people with outright LIES and DECEPTION the only thing they know HOW TO DO! And you want them to run our country.

McPalin are both out of control.  I just saw 3 different campaign stops Palin made and over and over and over she absolutely paraphrases what Sen. Obama says, to the point of sounding like she's got a few screws loose.  What are her issues, what is her positon on the financial crisis we are in, what changes would she want made?  she doesn't address any of these real issues, just goes onnnn and onnnnnnn and onnnnn paraphrasing crap stories.  Does no one find this to be just plain ignorant? This is the woman some want as a VP?  What is wrong with people!!!

And, what sort of moral, hockey mom is she that she sees the almost riot-like frenzy she is creating with this terrorist crap, plays it up bigger and bigger and smiles.. If she keeps it up, it wouldnt hurt my feelings if the Secret Service or any other agency suggested she tone it down and knock it off.  This woman is not only a fool but with little conscious.... like she needs to be near OUR government?

" I was a POW "

"I'm a hero and Barack is black"

I Am John McCain and I approve these messages! 

HAHAHAHAHAHAAH

You forgot to say Maverick, wink !Heres some TRUTH for  Mccain:http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2008/10/06/1497767.aspx

Tenntom:  What an absolutely twisted comment.  If all you can see is color, you need help, and FAST! 

john........" seriously people, just look at him....he is black.......... and I am white."

I do not even understand what that comment even has to do with this. that was not made here.

I'm a maverick; I signed the Declaration of Independence, I crossed the Delaware with General Washington, I approved the Lewis & Clark expedition...Mr. Obama did none of these things. 

Wow Tenntom, are you one of those warped souls who think Obama's somehow going to bring back slavery (only in reverse) when he's elected...oops, I probably shouldn't have said that, McCain and Palin are sure to attribute it to him now.

TennTom, what a strange rant.  I don't think anyone had playmates in the white house except maybe Chelsey. Abortions were legal way before Clinton, so why bring that up, just for something to whine about?  The only socialization that medicine has achieved is that your insurance companies now have complete power over which doctor you can see, what meds you can receive, and what hospital you can stay in.  Gee that sounds like a dictatorship not socialism.   And since Obama is black/white, who will he turn it over to? No one, duh.

Joplin, you must be consumed by Obama's karisma and not been listening to McCain.

McCain has detailed his position on the issues; many times with yes or no's or other brief responses, unlike Obama who tries to tell you how to build a government everytime he speaks with no definitive substance.

If he were a commodity, I would love to buy Obama for what he's worth and sell him for what he thinks he's worth. 

You know, you're right:  McCain detailed his positions with perfect clarity in 2000.  Then he lost.  So he detailed them again in 2008, and they were all the opposite of what he detailed in 2000.  When this doesn't work, heaven only knows where he'll get his next set of ideals and morals.  Hopefully, he'll have the grace to just stop, but with the poor judgment issue, that's probably too much to hope for.

By the way few/proud:  You can't afford Obama.  But I hear McCain is ALWAYS for sale.

The only way I would ever believe any of the lies about Obama is if he was  a Republican because all of know that republicans are liars. But since Obama is Democratic I know that he is a truthful man.

RJ: Issues? I have no issues. Wait, wait. It's Obama's fault. Wait, I cross the river and hike up the hill to think.  Wait, I  made a friend of the guard. That was before I made the Viet Cong tapes. Wait, I loved my beautiful wife but she got really homely and there was this rich blond. Wait, I needed to show my friends I had power to do what they wanted so I went on vacation with Charles. Wait, that was only my patriotic duty to appease a citizen that would make money for my pocket. Wait, there's nothing wrong with the economy. Wait, I can't debate, have to work on the bailout bill cause we're in one heck of a mess.

I was trying to be funny but heck, that isn't my bag. But what I ran across is startling. McCain, among other repubs and big oil execs, sit on the board of the International Republican Institute. Do a google IRI, advance search mccain. From the DailyKos, Feb. 2008:   "Democracy, nation building mission of the IRI is a screen for its promotion of a neo-conservative foreign policy agenda bent on establishing pro-Washington consensus client regimes at all costs, including overthrowing democratically elected leaders.  For example, the IRI was involved in the overthrow of Aristide in Haiti and the attempted coup of Chavez in 2002.  In Venezuela it funneled thousands of dollars to groups that opposed the election of Chavez.  In Georgia it gave money to groups seeking to oust Eduard Shevarnadze.  And in Czechoslovakia it helped corrupt, former communist officials fight against Vladimir Meciar.  

And though it claims to be a private, non-partisan group, the IRI receives both private (Exxon Mobil) and public funding (around $40 million) from the National Endowment for Democracy.  

USAID has also given money to the IRI.  

John R. Bolton, a far right-wing neo-con, once told the truth and described USAID as "a subsidiary of the CIA which serves to promote political and economic desiderata of the U.S. Federal government through its financial assistance programs abroad."

The IRI’s roots go back to the early Reagan years and the Reagan administration’s response to Carter and Congress, which in the late 1970’s passed laws that no longer allowed the CIA to use "front groups"—such as the Peace Corps, among many others—to "secure American interests" abroad.  

Consider this quote from scoop:

The International Republican Institute, an organization that describes itself as being dedicated to "advancing democracy, freedom, self-government and the rule of law worldwide," has in the last two decades earned the questionable distinction of being perhaps the least-known of a group of lethal Washington institutions devoted to the trade of nation-building, or more accurately termed, nation undermining. Despite its elaborate rhetoric and claims to nonpartisanship, the IRI in fact operates as the powerful and well-funded foreign policy arm of the ultra rightist wing of the U.S. Republican Party. It is far more ideological and operational than its Democratic Party counterpart, the National Democratic Institute, and is less concerned with democracy building than hunting down leftists and crushing their causes. It would not be too much to say that the IRI engages in anti-populist witch-hunts with far more enthusiasm than any of its research efforts exploring the history or politics of those countries where it wreaks its havoc. IRI’s seemingly innocuous activities, which are said to include party-building, media training, the organization of leadership trainings, the dissemination of newsletters and the strengthening of "civil society," mask a far more aggressive and calculated attempt by the organization and affiliated hard right Republican Party ideologues to destabilize liberal political movements and governments (which it sees as containing the germ of communism) in this hemisphere and around the world. Its central, though unstated, mission is to see to it that such vanguard movements have leaders perceived as being more agreeable to Washington’s orientation on a given issue.

            (www.scoop.co.nz/stories/WO0407/S00159.htm)"

What do you all think of this piece of cake. And they dare to throw stones?

OBAMA-BIDEN 08

"I am a frigging MAVERICK! Don't you get it? a MAVERICK!"

Yo The Few The Proud going NOWHERE!

Does anybody REALLY LISTEN to McBLAME? Any wise peron would know it is a WASTE OF TIME & ENERGY. When you lose credibility or never had any in the first place like the terrorist PRINCESS PALIN why waste your precious time listening to their GRIME!

And Oscumma is one of the radical " community organizers" ( ghetto for thugs) who intimidated the lenders into giving faulty, unqualified loans to the professionally entitled so that they could have the American Dream on someone else's paycheck. Now the tax payer is getting screwed again to bail out the institutions that people like Oscumma dragges through the mud.  All hail the Messiah!

Lucy you have a problem, I'll pray for your misguided soul as it is very obvious that you do not like blacks.  Intimidated the lenders huh... what a joke stay off the site you embarass yourself and your kind.  Enough with the distractions and get to the business at hand, the economy stupid!

or the @!$%# calling the shovel dirty for that matter

Did you guys all notice that Palin sounded like Bush when she said "nuclear"?  LOL! Calculating the age difference, she might be Bush's love-child.

As for Mccain....I think the old man needs immediate medical attention.

Verdict #4- Suspending his campagin to save the country but was found no where near DC at the time he claimed he would be....

well said connie

as i keep saying Chaos McCain

do we need a leader who is not a leader but a master of drama, confusion and chaos

BTW is the McCain campaign still suspended or it is on again? there was much public spectacle about the suspension but then i never heard the big public hoohaa that it was on again so i'm  just wondering......

swill a few 6-packs with 6-pack sarah.....

WHAT CHANGE HAS OBAMMMMMMA PROMISED??????????????

Slam McCain all you want,but obama won't release his educational records.How exactly does a poor black man go to Harvard (the consensus is his ties to Muslim Org.)?But hey,that's ok you hug your trees and I'll keep toting my gun, and when he cripples our military, I bet you all will wish you toted guns instead of hugging trees

hy my friend diann

you say the wisest thangs

i wish i was smart like you

JKV-

What year did you join Klu Klux Klan?

JKV, that is just comical.  And why is it that in your mind Muslim equals terrorist?  Did you make the same connection with all Christians after little Timmy bombed a little building in Oklahoma City.  Oh and by the way, I'm a gun-toting liberal and proud of it but i do happen to like trees as well (you see, they produce oxygen).

Another angry Mccain supporter- casper346317

Why are all Mccain supporters so angry? I did not know hot-temper is contagious.  Mccain is angry, and so are his supporters.  Is it becasue you people already knew that this is IT for Mccain?  Anger leads to desperation.   Chill! Drink some KoolAid, men!

John McCain brought down three planes, verdict:  poor judgement.

Liar... it was five planes. The last one was when he was on a bombing run and ignored the surface to air missile warning in favor of continuing on his mission. The consequence of ignoring the warning was his time as a POW after the missile took out his right wing. If he had heeded the warning instead of being a "maverick" he would not have been shot down, never married Cindy, never become a Congressman and would not be running for President. Being shot down was the best thing that ever happened to John McCain.

JKV I was raised a very poor white girl -- not enough food etc. -- and I went to college and to an expensive law school (BU actually right across from harvard) and i did not go to these school by way of terrorist funding. i'm still paying off student loans and i got grants and so on

how ridiculous, hateful and racist you are -- jumping to the conclusion that becuase someone is poor and black their education OBVIOULSY was paid for by terrorists

i'd love for 6-pack palin to release her educational records, she barely made it thru a third-tier college (altho that still left her highly educated for Wasilla where the educational average is 10th grade -- but don't get me wront they have talent, as the meth amphetimine producing captial of the world) -- her husband might have graudated from high school and chaos mccain was also last in his class.

Actually it was four planes and the one that got shot down in Vietnam.

Some McCainisms

"I am learning to get online myself, and I will have that down fairly soon, getting on myself. I don't expect to be a great communicator, I don't expect to set up my own blog, but I am becoming computer literate to the point where I can get the information that I need." --New York Times interview, July 13, 2008

"I will veto every single beer, um, bill with earmarks." --speaking at the National Small Business Summit, Washington, D.C., June 10, 2008

"We should be able to deliver bottled hot water to dehydrated babies." --Kenner, Louisiana, June 3, 2008

"I'm going to be honest: I know a lot less about economics than I do about military and foreign policy issues. I still need to be educated."

"I will conduct a respectful debate. Now, it will be dispirited -- it will be spirited -- because there are stark differences. I am a proud conservative, liberal Republica-- conservative Republican...Hello? Easy there."

"I am a illiterate that has to rely on my wife for all of the assistance I can get." -after being asked whether he uses a Mac or a PC

You guys accuse McCain supporters of being angry?  Wow.  The most disgusting, ignorant, hate-filled rhetoric in this thread is coming from the Obama supporters.

Instead of arguing facts here, you all just slam on McCain supporters and call everyone who won't support Obama a RACIST!  A RACIST?!  Do you race-baiters have the capacity to reason and understand that not everyone agrees with your politics, and it has nothing to do with race?  That there is always more than one side to EVERY story?  Do you even have the capacity to question your own candidate or would you follow him into a wood chipper simply because Obama is black?  Those of you who would call others RACIST for not supporting your candidate can only be racist yourself.  Why the hell else should skin color matter in this election (aside from the historic first)?

By the way, the only ones talking about RACE in this election are the democrats.  United my a$$.  Way to stoke the fire and bring this country closer to racial implosion.  I thought you lefties wanted Utopia?  Oh I guess that means a nation of babbling idiots who can't think or do for themselves and so must rely on the government to tell them what they are good for.  So many of you are already prepared for that! 

Dian, where are you from?  I would like to find out a little something about your hometown and use that to attack you and your community.  Never mind, you are probably living in Castro's back yard, in a small little hut where his dog used to live.  Oh, but you want for nothing, right?  

Obama tied to Acorn, Verdict: Poor Judgement. Obama tied to Rev. Wright, Verdict: Poor Judgement. Obama tied to Terrorist William Ayers, Verdict: Poor Judgement. Obama's record is tax and spend, Verdict: Poor Judgement. Obama asks for 930 million in earmarks, Verdict: Poor Judgement........ Gee, your right there is a pattern.

Dreama: Yes. Obama's record is tax and spend. Unfortunately, McCain's plans are just the spend part. It turns out that, if you want things, you have to pay for them. Life is hard in the big-bad, grown up world. Want healthcare? Costs money. Want police? Want a military protecting us from the terrorists Republicans are always accusing everyone of being? Want education for children? Want to be able to retire some day? These things are expensive and, yes, somebody has to pay for them and, yup, you're one of them. However, unless you make more than $112k per year, Obama will give you a bigger tax break than McCain would.

dreama-

well look what happens when Ayers doesn't like you

although disturbing , it sounds smart to me.

And if your making $112k per year why would you need a tax break the people who make 30 to 40 k should be the ones who get the tax break. But if our government would put a flat tax for evey one we would be doing good just a thought.

You're missing the point, Jake. It's people making under $112k a year Obama gives the bigger break to. Under, not over. If our government put a flat tax on everyone the government would either: A) Not have enough money because 10% of taxes come from the highest earning 1% of the population or B) We would all need to pay in excess of 30% of our income into taxes. This is why a flat tax is, well, a dumb idea.  Obama's plan gives a break to the people making 30-40k. He gives more than double what McCain's plan does. Read better, and more.

yeah I agree. OBAMA! OBAMA! OBAMA!

Zom,
So what if you make 120? You have to pay more so that the people that make 112 can pay less? How about the people that get every dime they pay in back plus my dimes? They will get more of my dimes? Why is it always tax the rich, and give to the poor? Are the democrats so envious that they would "steal" what they did not earn? Of course you have to have money to pay for government. The point is, we need LESS government, not more. I don't want government healthcare, you see how well medic-aid works.
Look, if I didn't have to pay taxes and insurance, I'd be rich and happy. I'm already taxed to death. You look at me and say, you have more than I do, therefore you should pay more so that I can pay less. How is that fair? I work hard 6-7 days a week for my income. But since I make more than you I should pay some of your portion?
The tax system is set up to punish people that make money and reward those who don't. That doesn't make sense to me.

Do Facts Matter?

By Thomas Sowell

Abraham Lincoln said, “You can fool all the people some of the time and some of the people all the time, but you can't fool all the people all the time."

Unfortunately, the future of this country, as well as the fate of the Western world, depends on how many people can be fooled on election day, just a few weeks from now.

Right now, the polls indicate that a whole lot of the people are being fooled a whole lot of the time.

The current financial bailout crisis has propelled Barack Obama back into a substantial lead over John McCain-- which is astonishing in view of which man and which party has had the most to do with bringing on this crisis.

It raises the question: Do facts matter? Or is Obama's rhetoric and the media's spin enough to make facts irrelevant?

Fact Number One: It was liberal Democrats, led by Senator Christopher Dodd and Congressman Barney Frank, who for years-- including the present year-- denied that Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac were taking big risks that could lead to a financial crisis.

It was Senator Dodd, Congressman Frank and other liberal Democrats who for years refused requests from the Bush administration to set up an agency to regulate Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac.

It was liberal Democrats, again led by Dodd and Frank, who for years pushed for Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac to go even further in promoting subprime mortgage loans, which are at the heart of today's financial crisis.

Alan Greenspan warned them four years ago. So did the Chairman of the Council of Economic Advisers to the President. So did Bush's Secretary of the Treasury, five years ago.

Yet, today, what are we hearing? That it was the Bush administration “right-wing ideology” of “de-regulation” that set the stage for the financial crisis. Do facts matter?

We also hear that it is the free market that is to blame. But the facts show that it was the government that pressured financial institutions in general to lend to subprime borrowers, with such things as the Community Reinvestment Act and, later, threats of legal action by then Attorney General Janet Reno if the feds did not like the statistics on who was getting loans and who wasn't.

Is that the free market? Or do facts not matter?

Then there is the question of being against the “greed” of CEOs and for “the people." Franklin Raines made $90 million while he was head of Fannie Mae and mismanaging that institution into crisis.

Who in Congress defended Franklin Raines? Liberal Democrats, including Maxine Waters and the Congressional Black Caucus, at least one of whom referred to the “lynching” of Raines, as if it was racist to hold him to the same standard as white CEOs.

Even after he was deposed as head of Fannie Mae, Franklin Raines was consulted this year by the Obama campaign for his advice on housing!

The Washington Post criticized the McCain campaign for calling Raines an adviser to Obama, even though that fact was reported in the Washington Post itself on July 16th. The technicality and the spin here is that Raines is not officially listed as an adviser. But someone who advises is an adviser, whether or not his name appears on a letterhead.

The tie between Barack Obama and Franklin Raines is not all one-way. Obama has been the second-largest recipient of Fannie Mae's financial contributions, right after Senator Christopher Dodd.

But ties between Obama and Raines? Not if you read the mainstream media.

Facts don't matter much politically if they are not reported.

The media alone are not alone in keeping the facts from the public. Republicans, for reasons unknown, don't seem to know what it is to counter-attack. They deserve to lose.

But the country does not deserve to be put in the hands of a glib and cocky know-it-all, who has accomplished absolutely nothing beyond the advancement of his own career with rhetoric, and who has for years allied himself with a succession of people who have openly expressed their hatred of America.

COPYRIGHT 2008 CREATORS SYNDICATE, INC.

veteran:

Quote all the facts now:

Where on the list of Fannie Mae beneficiaries is McCain's current campaign manager, whose firm is STILL getting money from them each and every month?

And how smart are Dodd and Frank if, according to your little diatribe here, they managed to spearhead all this evil while the Republicans controlled the White House, the House and the Senate for a six-year period?  By the way, make sure you don't make their skulduggery go back too far, or you may end up having to blame them for McCain's involvement in the Keating scandal.

Why don't you come up with the solution to those little problems and maybe someone will take you seriously.....

I did not mean to offend anyone with my earlier post. I am in no way a racist or a klan member.I simply was implying that there are allegations out there that Obama's Harvard education was paid for by Khalid Al-Monsour a "Radical Muslim" which is a politically correct term for "terrorist". I am an independent who is STILL watching,listening, & researching so that I can go vote for the lesser of two evils as always. I do however agree with a lot the AF VET has to say.Once again if I offended ANYONE I am truly sorry

Running scared or just business as usual for Chaos McCain

mr McCains name is john

why do you call him Chaos?

is name calling a sign od how smart you are?

i am not smart but i know this not right

"

mr McCains name is john

why do you call him Chaos?

is name calling a sign od how smart you are?

i am not smart but i know this not right"

Whining Redneck!

Damn right, you are not smart if you actually support Mccain.

And you hate America if you actually support Obama.  What a ridiculous statement Repub.turned.Dem.

its hell of alot smarter then suppoting Obama

ConstitutionThumper and Jake288926- a duo of retards who ACTUALLY believe Mccain is capable of telling the truth, and that Palin can THINK? LOL LOL LOL LOL....did you guys write script for the Comedy Central?  Maybe you should find a job there. You guys are hillarious!

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Sorry i puke

so sorry

DaneLover..your cogent  argument  is  to sophisticated  for me to  follow...ARE  you  really the guy  who wants  to be the  first  veep  dude?  MR Sarah  palin?

sahara sar'a beginning to $itch slap mcsame

Oh dear, you are referencing the "Rolling Stone" as a source of factual information?  Thank you for confirming what I suspected:  The uninformed and undereducated are voting for Obama.

McCain/Palin '08

Us "undereducated" happens to be a Vietnam combat medic - 2 tours , and I would bet my sleeve that bomber John Mccain never saw the results of the bombs he dropped on widows and children . Not the blood not the sweat and certainly not the tears . After all he never saw the tears in first wife Carol's eye , and he can't see the tears in Cindy's eyes either . Ole maveRake john Mc blame voted AGAINST veterans EVERY time he had the opportunity . Like we used to say in 'nam - sorry bout that , did you get a stale donut ?

Wow ! McCancer, this is heights of lying !

I hope cancer never threatens you or anyone you love. (very low blow)

(you know everyone is whacking McCain a good one for being mean to Obama) Can you say hypocrite? What are you doing to McCain on this board right now? 

Just asking.

I don't think Sarah hates America; she just wanted to seperate her state from it and become the President of the Republic of Alaska .

Mrs. Palin, what is there to say about her.........One thing.  She is the first decision John McCain made that had to do with his aspiring to be president.   What would be his next.?  May we never find out.

Palin needs to remember she is fair game ( No freebys , just because she's a woman ) Her past and present are also fair game.  Seek and you shall receive.  God forbid if the Mcain/Palin ticket gets elected.  What all do you have in YOUR closet, Sarah?

That 1991 quote sounds like terrorist speak in nature.  It is a shame that Sarah doesn't look in her own bed for terrorists sympathizers . . . separating part of this nation sounds like a terrorist threat indeed.

GREAT point! tkbone

Actually, according to fact check McCain has consistently described himself as an opponent of regulation.  Just as recently as March 2008, McCain said in an interview with the Wall Street Journal that "I'm always for less regulation. But I am aware of the view that there is a need for government oversight. I think we found this in the subprime lending crisis — that there are people that game the system and if not outright broke the law, they certainly engaged in unethical conduct which made this problem worse. So I do believe that there is role for oversight." 

"As far as a need for additional regulations are concerned, I think that depends on the legislative agenda and what the Congress does to some degree, but I am fundamentally a deregulator."

However, as the condition on Wall Street has worsened, McCain has once again changed positions and is now for more regulation but as usual has not provided any specifics.  Therefore, Obama is not lying regarding this issue.

That would be a great argument if we didn't have him on tape saying specifically Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac needed regulations and the dems saying we did not...

Cathy-619201:

Like this will overwrite all the other lies he and Barbie Palin produced? People who said Palin "won" Thursday's debate should check themselves into mental institute.  They are obviously dillusional. Just because she did not tank doesn't mean she "won".  Listen to Joe Biden and you could immediately tell the difference in substance of their statements (Well, if you can call what came out of her mouth "a statement".  They were more like poorly written script recited over and over again).

Any American with an ounce of brain left in his/her head will know that this duo can not help us get back on our feet.  This is their final "fortress" to guard their failling campagin.  Did you see Dow fell more than 800 at one point today? and this is what they want to talk about?  Get real! McPain!  

  Maybe they pulled it because he was lieing again. He has never supported regulation nor has any other Republican. It is not in their DNA> They are all puppets for the rich and big business.

Let me ammend my comment above. I remember now what they are talking about it was a 2005 bill that seemed to regulate Fannie and freddy. The bill was stalled in committee and McCain signed on as a cosponsor went onto the floor and made a speech about the bill knowing it was dead. It was killed in committee with both sides of the aisle voting to kill it.

Later in 2007 in an interview he said he never saw it coming.

Here is the link to that video.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/09/26/fact-check-mccain-lied-ab_n_129774.html

If I were Tonto I would say White man speak with forked tongue.

Most of what was printed here on his being a regulator point unsucessfully to this one occasion in his life he made it appear he was for regulation. He always said oversight which by the time it gets to congress it is already too late.

Thank you, my thoughts exactly...debate substance. There probably are no innocents in this scenerio, but hopefully there is a person of leadership and vision!

You are correct.  Everyone of us has met or known someone in our lives who has done something reprehensible, but it doesn't mean we approved of it or were involved in it.  It may even have been a family member.  It doesn't make us any more to blame for their actions.  If you are in politics, chances are you have met or known more than your share of unsavory characters.  Remember, without John McCain there would only have been a Keating Four!  Debating on substance and on the issues would be nice, but since McCain has no substance when it comes to the issues, character assassination is all he has to "cling to."  He himself has said that that is the last resort when your campaign has no ideas or substance when it comes to the issues. (2000 campaign, complaining about how Bush's campaign was resorting to personal attacks on John McCain because they "lacked substance on the issues."  Just sayin'

The person with leadership, substance and vision is Senator McCain and it is about time he took the tablecloth off the elephant in the room.  Obama has problems and if the liberal media won't bring them to light than Senator McCain will.  We know more about Governor Palin in five weeks than we do about Obama in a year.  Palin winds up on SNL and Obama gets a free pass from the media.

He didn't author those books.  He had a ghost writer.  Obama wrote his books himself.  I have also lost all respect for McCain and will not respect him if he becomes president.

So True

Right, and to think I really thought this guy would make a good president back in 2000 and right after Hillary went down.  Wrong, wrong, wrong. Glad I did my homework.  It gets worse everyday.

I am for Obama but if McCain(he did risk his life and fight for our country) becomes president I know I must respect him. If you are running for President or Vice President in my opinion you must have a clue about what you are doing(maybe not entirely). I know I don't want that job. I'll stick to my healthcare job

SARAH PALIN’S 18 LIES TONIGHT

1. FANNIE MAE/FREDDIE MAC: Palin said “it was John McCain who pushed so hard with the Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac reform measures,” but fact checkers say that’s “Quite A Stretch” And “Barely True,” and that McCain was a “latecomer” to the discussion.

2. FUNDAMENTALS ARE STRONG: Palin tried to say “John McCain saying our economy was strong” but McCain has used the phrase “The Fundamentals Of The Economy Are Strong” At Least 16 Times This Year.

3. PARTISAN POLITICS: Palin said McCain is “known for putting partisan politics aside to just get the job done,” but he has voted with Bush 90% of the time in the Senate and bragged about his support for Bush on important issues.

4. TAXES ATTACK: Palin repeated the attack that Obama voted for higher taxes 94 times, which the New York Times says is “false,” CNN says is “Misleading,” and FactCheck.org says is “inflated.”

5. TOBACCO REGULATION: Palin said to “look at the tobacco industry” as an example of McCain pushing for even harder and tougher regulations. But McCain opposed expanding the SCHIP children’s health insurance program for 5.8 million children because it would increase tobacco taxes.

6. SPENDING INCREASES: Palin said Obama is is proposing “nearly a trillion dollars in new spending,” but didn’t mention that he has also proposed cuts to balance it out, an attack CNN has already debunked as “misleading” and that ignores the far larger cost of McCain’s tax cuts and spending hikes.

7. HEALTH CARE: Palin claimed Obama’s health plan is “government run” which has been widely debunked as a “canard.”

8. HEALTH CARE. Palin says taxes wouldn’t go up under the McCain health care plan, a fact even his own campaign has acknowledged isn’t true.

9. TROOPS: Palin repeated what the AP called the “highly misleading” attack that Obama opposed funding for the troops, and Factcheck.org notes that the same methodology would lead to the same conclusion for McCain.

10. GLOBAL WARMING: Palin said “I don’t want to argue about the causes” for global warming, when she has clearly taken the position that she doesn’t not believe it is man-made.

11. MCCAIN IS CONSISTENT: Palin said McCain” doesn't tell one thing to one group and then turns around and tells something else to another group,” when that is exactly what he has done on immigration, telling Hispanic leaders he was for comprehensive reform instead of the enforcement focused approach he has taken with conservatives.

12. MCCLELLAN NOT MCKIERNAN: Palin referred to the US commander in Afghanistan, David McKiernan as “McClellan.”

13. MCKIERNAN ON “SURGE:” Palin said that [McKiernan] did not say a surge wouldn’t work in Afghanistan, when just yesterday he said “The word I don’t use for Afghanistan is ’surge,’ ” McKiernan stressed, saying that what is required is a “sustained commitment” to a counterinsurgency effort that could last many years and would ultimately require a political, not military, solution

14. KILLING CIVILIANS. Palin said “Obama had said that all we're doing in Afghanistan is air raiding villages and killing civilians and such a reckless, reckless comment and untrue comment again hurts our cause. That's not what we are doing there.” Unfortunately, the Associated Press says that Obama was right in discussing a critically important point about avoiding civilian casualties.

15. TEACHING: Palin said we need to make sure “that education in either one of our agendas, I think, absolute top of the line,” when McCain has repeatedly favored tax cuts for the wealthy over funds for more teachers and class size reduction.

16. PARTISAN APPOINTMENTS: Palin said “You do what I did as governor. And you appoint people regardless of party affiliation. Democrats, independents, Republicans, you walk the walk, don't just talk the talk” when she repeatedly appointed friends and supporters to positions for which they weren’t qualified.

17. FOCUS ON CLIMATE CHANGE: Palin falsely claimed that she was the first governor to form a climate change subcabinet, when at least 28 states had already taken action.

18. DARFUR DIVESTMENT: Palin claimed that “when I and others” found out that the state had money invested in Sudan that “we called for divestment,” when the reality is that Palin’s appointees worked to kill a Darfur divestment plan.

Miss Alaska runner-up?   LOL

She blinded me with science.  LMAO

Great post Rod_Father. Another lie that comes to mind is that Palin said troop levels in Iraq are now back down to pre-surge levels. I wish Biden would have challenged her more often on her mistatements -- guess he didn't want to look like a bully and give the McCain camp more reasons to cry that Palin is being treated unfairly, which is what they do everytime she actually has to answer a question.

Obama has been negative since the start of his primary campaign. who would have imagined a democrat would use character assassination tactics first employed by republicans in the 1990s saying "you can't trust the Clintons, the Clintons will say and do anything to win, the Clintons never make an honest mistake, they are cold and calculating." Obama brought the negative pitch of his primary campaign to such a level that his supporters, particularly new young supporters, actually hated Hillary.

Now they are doing the same to McCain. McCain is of course doing the same to Obama. Nothing new here. Nothing about change or things for the better in politics; just two down and dirty politicians going at it while one pretends he isn't.

just jerry, after your last two remarks, we all now know who's side you are on!!!

So please just stop!!!

Just Jerry, you don't make much sense.  Obama has been anything but negative up to now.  Now I hope he'll take the gloves off, and sling it right back to McCain, but he probably won't because he has too much class for that.

Jerry,

McCains claims about Obama have been well refuted.  Go to fact check.org., CNN gave him an "untrue."   But like McSame says, repeat the lie often enough...

Pour on the McShame hate and then claim not to be negative. Read what Obama fans write and tell me they aren't negative campaigning.

Just Jerry-

Shut up, go home, polish your gun, hug your Bible and breed like Palin and Mccain.  Your kind is obviously being superseded as we speak!

Ah, yes the mistaken assumption that I'm not a democrat that has caught on to the Obama republican style character assassination campaign once again rears its ugly head. Obama will win and then we will all see how much like the untested and arrogant George W. Bush Obama and his supporters are. We didn't dare cricitize Bush either or we would be called unpatriotic, and now it is as if Obama is the messiah rather than just another hard ball same old same old politician.

The gun and bible comment smacks of the San Francisco Obama comment looking down his nose essentially calling a large segment of the electorate weakminded and beneath him. We don't need elistists that don't respect others we need real pragmatic non-partisan leadership.

I can't wait for "your kind" to be superseded.

We'll be talking about it for a few years no doubt.  If we have a country left.

Let me see if I understand this ~ McCain / Palin can go negative but it is patently wrong for Obama / Biden to respond?  Are they expected to simply roll over and take it in the gut?  I hardly think so.  But since the GOP praised Palin for warping and manuevering her debate to items she wanted to emphasize, then Obama should do precisely the same thing tomorrow night.  Every issue should be brought back to economic matters, regardless of the topic the question is based on.  The economy is what Americans are most concerned with ~ and Obama should stay on that subject even if to the great chagrin of McCain and his lackeys.  People are not all that interested in who to blame.  They are not even particularly interested in who proposed measures five to six years ago that could have headed this thing off.  They WILL remember who promoted those measures and that they were not successful ~ which speaks to leadership then and now.  They are interested in who to trust to begin a fixing this mess.  They simply cannot trust any candidate who runs from it or attempts to minimize its importance by introduction of trivial issues ~ and all of them are trivial in comparison to our current economic condition. 

Jim in Texas-

Mccain campaign has this double standard from the getgo. No surprise there! Something in the air must have rendered half of the American population stupid that they really buy into Mccain's desperate strategy and into Palin's "Joe-Six-pack" crap.  The country is in a mess and all they want to believe is whom they can "resonate" with, and who the "real maverick" is?  Really tiresome!

So in your book, everyone that goes through an unwanted divorce (he aplogized that it was his fault), is a weasel, a creep.

You don't bother to mention the stress on him as a POW and how that may have changed his life.  Naw, why present a fair and balanced view.

Excuse me ? As a Vietnam infantry combat medic with 2 tours , i also understand stress , but i also understand compassion and empathy. your heart is a mirror of your soul . He kicked his first sick and injured wife to the curb, and he's doing the same with his wife Cindy - note how he hugs Sahara but not Cindy in replays of their speeches. THAT'S the salacious persona of bomber John McBlame . Drop a bomb and daddy will clean it up . McBlame voted AGAINST active duty military and veterans and has a rating with Disabled American Veterans of 20% !!!!!!!!!!! Obama has a rating of 85% !!!!!! Vote Obama and keep the faith .

few/proud:  I don't get it - an "unwanted" divorce that he said was "his fault"?  If it was "his fault", wouldn't it, by definition, be what he wanted??

People frequently accuse liberals of being naive, and sometimes it's warranted.  But, come on, ditching a sick, homely wife for a very, very rich and good-looking wife is battle stress?  Come on, man. 

McCain's dumpung of Carol McCain is profiled today at washpost.com.  He's a bum.

A person chosen at random from the telephone directory would probably be a better President.

Carol42, had endured much in more than 14 years of marriage to John. She had raised their three young children alone while her husband languished in a North Vietnamese prison camp for 5 1/2 years. Her tribulations grew immeasurably after a near-fatal car accident that immobilized her for months and left her scarred for life. Despite their reunion and physical rehabilitation, by the late 1970s the McCains' marriage had begun to crack, as John engaged in what he later termed "dalliances" with other women. hen 42, had endured much in more than 14 years of marriage to John. She had raised their three young children alone while her husband languished in a North Vietnamese prison camp for 5 1/2 years. Her tribulations grew immeasurably after a near-fatal car accident that immobilized her for months and left her scarred for life. Despite their reunion and physical rehabilitation, by the late 1970s the McCains' marriage had begun to crack, as John engaged in what he later termed "dalliances" with other women. Wa Post

Look, all the B.S about McCain's first marriage is getting old already. I mean the man said it was his fault. What more do you want? He said he regrets it. What do you want him to do? He can't change the past.

I'll "betcha" 20 bucks Obama gets caught cheating on Michelle in the first year, if he gets elected. Why wouldn't he? Oh, he's respectable you say. Oh, he's a man of honor you say. Oh, he's a man of morals you say.

OK, remember me when the news hits! :) Guess what! I won't care if he does.

Kennedy / Marilyn Monroe  - Didn't care

Clinton / Monica  - Didn't care ( did you want him to be impeached?)

I'm sure there are many, many more. (don't care)

Forget McCain's divorce from his first wife (he obviously did since she wasn't even mentioned in his bio during the GOP convention). McCain seems to have divorced himself from the maverick he once was. In 2000, I had considered him a man worthy of the office, but he now seems so angry and, frankly, bizarre in his actions (think Palin and phony campaign freeze before the first debate, not to mention his mismanaging of his campaign during the primaries and hiring of dozens of lobbyists with unsavory connections to clients like Myanmar).  I think his salivating desire for the Oval office has far exceeded his judgement. Too bad he couldn't have told the Christian right, who control the GOP, to take a hike. Heckuva job, Johnny!

The more I call myself a Maverick, the more I believe it.

- JM

The trouble with a Maverick is they are unpredictable and you never know when they are going to buck and hurt someone

But, GMan, they MUST be mavericks.  Bible Spice spent 90 straight minutes telling us it was true, so it must be.  You betcha!

if you want a dictator then vot Obama!